EMMA: Lady and Knight[ley]
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fwcukaejean post 1/x million. it's about how kj are emma/knightley on a very fundamental level. also I guess general scrutinizing of story profiles. also more of a kaeya_lady argument than anything else.
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JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
if u think about it why do we need bad boy kaeya or sad kaeya when we can have EMMA kaeya because all we do is put kaeya with jean
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
is kya even a society lady
honestly no matter how I look at it, all these tweets are seriously still true. you're like how is Jean Knightley tho? [1] repressed, [2] kind and unfailingly polite and courteous, [3] can you just read this wikipedia article and be like Ohhh. Holy shit. She IS like that. [humble, mature, a little bit boring, moral, etc]. has a very high standing in society, but is not an asshole about it.
I think KAEYA-EMMA paralleling relies on two things: (1) kaeya being a [society] lady, (2) kaeya being a younger sibling. I guess you could add (3) kaeya being a troublemaker, but that one is obvious is it not? also to me, inclinations of mischief and thinking you're smartest of world is all younger_siblingism. anyway, we'll move forward with this motivation.
(1) LADYISM
I would literally just link back to my tweet, however, we can go through canonical evidences.
KAEYA: Hah, a good question. Diluc, care to explain?
DILUC: Passing on messages and deliberating over ceremonial details... Sounds more like your line of work, Kaeya.
>this btw, total misogyny on diluc's part. what's wrong with doing a little but of lady's work huh?
"Kaeya is often found sitting at the bar, gossiping with the city folk, and sipping the famed Mondstadt beverage, Death After Noon." / "He is surprisingly popular among the elderly of Mondstadt, even earning himself the title of 'top candidate for grandson-in-law.' It's hard to imagine someone as mischievous, amiable, and wine-loving as Kaeya being the Cavalry Captain of the Knights of Favonius." / "The people of Mondstadt find Kaeya a lot easier to deal with than his predecessor, Diluc." / "Generally speaking, Kaeya is easy to talk to and nice to have a conversation with." (Kaeya's character stories)
interesting to note that Kaeya's profile focuses a lot on his social accuem and relationships with Mondstadt's people, the knights, the criminals, etc. in contrast to his counterparts [diluc, jean], who want to so badly protect this vision of Mondstadt and end up becoming removed from it, he [noted outsider] is the one who truly embodies the ideals of Mondstadt [drinking, freedom(on the surface)] and knows it's people in and out. as mentioned, the more personable half to jean/diluc. if this literally does not strike you as a lady trait, idk what to tell you! you have no idea what ladyism is and I seriously can't accept shit from
"Kaeya, Knight of Favonius. Please, allow me to join you on your journey. Guarding you on your journey sounds far more entertaining than any of the usual Favonius stuff." (voicelines)
KAEYA: Staying here feels like being in Mondstadt. The only difference is that I won't be bothered by any of my duties as one of the Knights of Favonius. (gift set line)
KAEYA: Alright then. Guess I will have to do some overtime work after all. (story quest) [he says this in an extremely bitchy way btw]
though I do want to point out that an extremely ladylike characteristic of his is that even though he really does not gaf about a lot of the knights stuff/protocol, he really respects and stresses it still. he's the best of the knights when it comes to introducing his title and his association ... IMO EMPHASIS ON POSITION/HIERARCHY/DECORUM is extremelyyyy lady trait ... it's also SOOO potent when he stresses that his personal tactics and business are not at all representative of the knights
TRAVELLER: You flirt with the dark side, so you would know.
PAIMON: Exactly!
KAEYA: Uh-ah! You should watch what you say, Honorary Knight.
KAEYA: What do you mean, flirt with the dark side? The Knights of Favonius certainly does not have dealings with its enemies.
KAEYA: That has to do with a certain knightly virtue called "integrity."
KAEYA: Anyway, I digress. This is the symbol of the cross-border criminal organization you know as the Treasure Hoarders. If you are curious to know more, I can put you in touch with an informant on the inside.
PAIMON: Uhh, didn't you just say the Knights of Favonius don't have dealings with their enemies!?
KAEYA: ...This is my own personal informant. Nothing to do with the Knights of Favonius.
YOUUUUUUU... have so many complexes and also are so secretively honourable in your own ladylike way... I think the discretion and show of tact is very very ladylike of him.
(2) YOUNGER SIBLING
(b) [*copies everything his brother does*] is literally the most younger sibling trait of all time. just all fucking time. that's how you clock one. I would know. [op is younger sibling in question]
(d) general need for validation of love via acts of service. or just kya's general need for other people to prooove they love him or like him or would at least do things for him. you're like - but this could be an anyman trait for any guy. and TRUE but the way kya does it is v younger sibling. the mixture of being obvious, teasing, coy, genuine surprise re: agreement but accepting very graciously. sorry for being a younger sibling. some crimes can be forgiven.
examples: "He takes pleasure in seeing the hesitation in his comrades' eyes at the moment just before they dive into battle with him, just as he takes pleasure in the look of fear in his enemies' eyes as they face off against him.", literally anytime ever the Traveller compliments him, his horrifying reaction at jean's birthday party, etc.
(e) SPOILED BRAT. diluc who's like 'fuck this guy I hate this guy' and lets him hang around anyway and does everything he asks anyway. [no legit]
jean who doesn't believe in kaeya's discretion herself [check vc] is still like 'well... You don't have all the facts.' and those are? 'That I love him.' (...) you're like there is no way this is true...BUT IT IS. everyday Amber is like I Fucking Hate Kaeya, Fuck Kaeya, He's the Worst Knight In The World, WHYYYY DOES JEAN LIKE HIM. you: she never said this. me: CONNECT THE GODDAMN DOTS IN HER VOICELINES
now, the Real Meat of this.
(3) THE EMMA/KNIGHTLEY DYNAMIC
- the regard for something higher than romance. in emma/knightley, it was about Mr. Woodhouse, while for kj it's about The Knights. The Austenian Romance [social positioning defines interactions and dynamics].
- The Extremely Unromantic Romance. LOVE WHEN IT IS NOT ABOUT EACH OTHER BUT ABOUT THE THINGS EACH OTHER HOLDS DEAR >>>. seriously Emma only falling in love with Knightley when she sees how considerate he is of Harriet, while Kaeya dedicates himself to the Knights when he sees how dedicated Jean is to Knighthood.
- Emma accepting Knightley because he is very considerate of her father. Kaeya accepting Jean, knowing Jean is the Dandelion Knight more than she is a person. that she is a Knight before she's a lady, and she is for Mondstadt before she belongs to anyone else. okay I admit that this one comes off as me saying words, but if you get it you get it.
- sorry it seriously is like. [*most eligible bachelor in town falls prey to resident bitchimonious lady*]. the way everyone in mond would give it all up for One Chance with Jean and instead, it's Kaeya who gets to throw parties for her and do her leftover paperwork(!!!)
- love is about trust, loyalty, fealty. not actually about love.
- horrible little mix. kind honourable noble mature partner
I hope this was convincing. I will spend all day arguing on this. yes, it's not a 1 to 1, but they have all the KEY traits. and that's what's really important.
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this section is not exactly necessary reading however these are the skeletal thoughts for everything that will come later. also I just didn't know where to put them but they are essential to understanding my scholarship. IMO.
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
in my head all kj conversations are like
kaeya: [is emma-like]
jean: [chastises him in a knightley-esque manner]
jean: [chastises him in a knightley-esque manner]
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
also have been opening my
also have been opening my
Heart to mean kaeya bc perhaps It Is True but also that just makes his lady factor even stronger and also the Epicosity of jean always seeing thru it bc she is Kind and Genuine and Honourable and Knightly.
[JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun replying to @gayrenjun]
Also sometimes the most loyal of knights fall in love with terrible women and that’s what’s happening here
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
if u think about it why do we need bad boy kaeya or sad kaeya when we can have EMMA kaeya because all we do is put kaeya with jean
[JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun replying to @gayrenjun]
the spoiled brat society lady kaeya portrayal we deserve imo... like 10millionth of all not only does jean let kaeya get away with everything only to slightly scoldingly reprimand him later, but also she just lets him have his way
JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun
is kya even a society lady
>cares only about ceremonial details[1]
>only wants to drink and chat
>only wants to drink and chat
>beloved by the whole town
>lazy
>lazy
[JEAN MAIN @gayrenjun replying to @gayrenjun]
>A Little Bit bitchy.
honestly no matter how I look at it, all these tweets are seriously still true. you're like how is Jean Knightley tho? [1] repressed, [2] kind and unfailingly polite and courteous, [3] can you just read this wikipedia article and be like Ohhh. Holy shit. She IS like that. [humble, mature, a little bit boring, moral, etc]. has a very high standing in society, but is not an asshole about it.
I think KAEYA-EMMA paralleling relies on two things: (1) kaeya being a [society] lady, (2) kaeya being a younger sibling. I guess you could add (3) kaeya being a troublemaker, but that one is obvious is it not? also to me, inclinations of mischief and thinking you're smartest of world is all younger_siblingism. anyway, we'll move forward with this motivation.
(1) LADYISM
I would literally just link back to my tweet, however, we can go through canonical evidences.
(1.1) 'cares only about ceremonial details'
from: Windblume Festival [Realm of Fog and Wind]KAEYA: Hah, a good question. Diluc, care to explain?
DILUC: Passing on messages and deliberating over ceremonial details... Sounds more like your line of work, Kaeya.
>this btw, total misogyny on diluc's part. what's wrong with doing a little but of lady's work huh?
(1.2, 1.3) 'only wants to drink and chat', 'beloved by the whole town'
"Everyone in Mondstadt loves Kaeya, but no one knows what secrets this witty, charming knight has." (official website description)"Kaeya is often found sitting at the bar, gossiping with the city folk, and sipping the famed Mondstadt beverage, Death After Noon." / "He is surprisingly popular among the elderly of Mondstadt, even earning himself the title of 'top candidate for grandson-in-law.' It's hard to imagine someone as mischievous, amiable, and wine-loving as Kaeya being the Cavalry Captain of the Knights of Favonius." / "The people of Mondstadt find Kaeya a lot easier to deal with than his predecessor, Diluc." / "Generally speaking, Kaeya is easy to talk to and nice to have a conversation with." (Kaeya's character stories)
interesting to note that Kaeya's profile focuses a lot on his social accuem and relationships with Mondstadt's people, the knights, the criminals, etc. in contrast to his counterparts [diluc, jean], who want to so badly protect this vision of Mondstadt and end up becoming removed from it, he [noted outsider] is the one who truly embodies the ideals of Mondstadt [drinking, freedom(on the surface)] and knows it's people in and out. as mentioned, the more personable half to jean/diluc. if this literally does not strike you as a lady trait, idk what to tell you! you have no idea what ladyism is and I seriously can't accept shit from
(1.4) 'lazy' [also see: 'catty']
for someone who 'claims' to hate KoF work... anyway. I won't include every line where he's complained about his work."Kaeya, Knight of Favonius. Please, allow me to join you on your journey. Guarding you on your journey sounds far more entertaining than any of the usual Favonius stuff." (voicelines)
KAEYA: Staying here feels like being in Mondstadt. The only difference is that I won't be bothered by any of my duties as one of the Knights of Favonius. (gift set line)
KAEYA: Alright then. Guess I will have to do some overtime work after all. (story quest) [he says this in an extremely bitchy way btw]
though I do want to point out that an extremely ladylike characteristic of his is that even though he really does not gaf about a lot of the knights stuff/protocol, he really respects and stresses it still. he's the best of the knights when it comes to introducing his title and his association ... IMO EMPHASIS ON POSITION/HIERARCHY/DECORUM is extremelyyyy lady trait ... it's also SOOO potent when he stresses that his personal tactics and business are not at all representative of the knights
TRAVELLER: You flirt with the dark side, so you would know.
PAIMON: Exactly!
KAEYA: Uh-ah! You should watch what you say, Honorary Knight.
KAEYA: What do you mean, flirt with the dark side? The Knights of Favonius certainly does not have dealings with its enemies.
KAEYA: That has to do with a certain knightly virtue called "integrity."
KAEYA: Anyway, I digress. This is the symbol of the cross-border criminal organization you know as the Treasure Hoarders. If you are curious to know more, I can put you in touch with an informant on the inside.
PAIMON: Uhh, didn't you just say the Knights of Favonius don't have dealings with their enemies!?
KAEYA: ...This is my own personal informant. Nothing to do with the Knights of Favonius.
YOUUUUUUU... have so many complexes and also are so secretively honourable in your own ladylike way... I think the discretion and show of tact is very very ladylike of him.
(2) YOUNGER SIBLING
you're like... But Popular Fanon Takes Have Lead Me To Believe Otherwise. I would like to point out:
(a) nothing is confirmed in canon, other than kya's birthday being way later in the year and diluc's way earlier.
(b) [*copies everything his brother does*] is literally the most younger sibling trait of all time. just all fucking time. that's how you clock one. I would know. [op is younger sibling in question]
(c) [way more invested in his brother's life and going-ons than his brother is invested in him] the NEED for brotherly attention and acknowledgement is so fucking funny. diluc brushing him off and kaeya going '...And ANOTHER Thing...' you desperate little freak. this is literally what happens in the last scene in diluc story quest. I DIED.
my second point of evidence is kya's character stories and vcs about diluc — where he's being extremely bitchy about diluc versus diluc's complete lack of acknowledgement re: kaeya in his stories, and then the way he seriously just doesn't give a fuck in his vcs, and also in general. the palpable [[annoying younger sibling / barely tolerates him older sibling]]
my second point of evidence is kya's character stories and vcs about diluc — where he's being extremely bitchy about diluc versus diluc's complete lack of acknowledgement re: kaeya in his stories, and then the way he seriously just doesn't give a fuck in his vcs, and also in general. the palpable [[annoying younger sibling / barely tolerates him older sibling]]
(d) general need for validation of love via acts of service. or just kya's general need for other people to prooove they love him or like him or would at least do things for him. you're like - but this could be an anyman trait for any guy. and TRUE but the way kya does it is v younger sibling. the mixture of being obvious, teasing, coy, genuine surprise re: agreement but accepting very graciously. sorry for being a younger sibling. some crimes can be forgiven.
examples: "He takes pleasure in seeing the hesitation in his comrades' eyes at the moment just before they dive into battle with him, just as he takes pleasure in the look of fear in his enemies' eyes as they face off against him.", literally anytime ever the Traveller compliments him, his horrifying reaction at jean's birthday party, etc.
(e) SPOILED BRAT. diluc who's like 'fuck this guy I hate this guy' and lets him hang around anyway and does everything he asks anyway. [no legit]
jean who doesn't believe in kaeya's discretion herself [check vc] is still like 'well... You don't have all the facts.' and those are? 'That I love him.' (...) you're like there is no way this is true...BUT IT IS. everyday Amber is like I Fucking Hate Kaeya, Fuck Kaeya, He's the Worst Knight In The World, WHYYYY DOES JEAN LIKE HIM. you: she never said this. me: CONNECT THE GODDAMN DOTS IN HER VOICELINES
now, the Real Meat of this.
(3) THE EMMA/KNIGHTLEY DYNAMIC
kaejean has it all.
- the extreme repression.- the regard for something higher than romance. in emma/knightley, it was about Mr. Woodhouse, while for kj it's about The Knights. The Austenian Romance [social positioning defines interactions and dynamics].
- The Extremely Unromantic Romance. LOVE WHEN IT IS NOT ABOUT EACH OTHER BUT ABOUT THE THINGS EACH OTHER HOLDS DEAR >>>. seriously Emma only falling in love with Knightley when she sees how considerate he is of Harriet, while Kaeya dedicates himself to the Knights when he sees how dedicated Jean is to Knighthood.
- Emma accepting Knightley because he is very considerate of her father. Kaeya accepting Jean, knowing Jean is the Dandelion Knight more than she is a person. that she is a Knight before she's a lady, and she is for Mondstadt before she belongs to anyone else. okay I admit that this one comes off as me saying words, but if you get it you get it.
- sorry it seriously is like. [*most eligible bachelor in town falls prey to resident bitchimonious lady*]. the way everyone in mond would give it all up for One Chance with Jean and instead, it's Kaeya who gets to throw parties for her and do her leftover paperwork(!!!)
- love is about trust, loyalty, fealty. not actually about love.
- horrible little mix. kind honourable noble mature partner
I hope this was convincing. I will spend all day arguing on this. yes, it's not a 1 to 1, but they have all the KEY traits. and that's what's really important.
