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fwcusome of the most fucked up things I've had to hear renhaech say to [each other/the camera/an mc] in the past month. saying 'renhaech' like it's not um, 95% haechan and renjun sometimes responding. mostly ignoring whatever haechan is saying. and sometimes being so truly out of words. peak 'he didn't know whether to laugh or cry' reactions. obviously all of these are very popularly regarded moments. EDIT: I did mostly only have out of context clips to go off of, so I take them at face value rather than also account for the the fan-service-yness of them... grains of salt, etc, still nothing can excuse the sheer amount of hc_needs_to_touch_renj_at_every_second_or_he'll_die. yk die or whatever.
lol for linking tiktoks rather than like tweet clips... welllllll... if it's not at the top of renjun's twitter searches I don't want to conduct further research. though I probably do know all the keywords to find the twt TLs of it.
150621 00LINE VLIVE
Renjun's recent tendency to just...freeze haech out whenever he starts flirting with him on-camera is so fucking funny because if haech was just insulting him, he'd be so much more reactive. when you have sick and twisted brain chemistries >>> something about how this proves that Actually, renjun yearns to be mistreated and erased. like legit in this live, he reads a fan comment that's like 'wow you guys sing so well' and he goes 'LIAR!' in a vvv cute way, but when HAECHAN does it... obviously it's because haechan lays it on way too thick, so it isn't even like when the other dreamies do it and there's obviously some sort of gag or whatever. also it's um. haechan, so he's more...preferential(?) about it. IIII.... [op is about to start saying some bullshit] I mean. unlike with other members where he's like partial to some types of treatment from them, but ultimately doesn't really mind/care.
with haechan, there's always like a specific reaction/reception renjun wants from him and there's insistence in getting that. he folds pretty easily, but the thing is renjun mostly just likes it when haechan fucks with him, so as long as that happens. hence, partially why renjun is so much more sick of haech's constant praises than we could ever be. um!!! some of us can't help but have fucked up psyches!!! some of us being [me, renjun, haechan] ... renjun does not want to be haech's little meow meow, renj wants to be haech's forever bullying target. wow when I say it like this it sounds so much more SM-like than it should. but something something haechan also enjoys being mistreated in love. I guess they'll take turns.
210701 Kiss the Radio
also the um. the fucking. renjunhaechan being to invested in each other they completely ignore youngk who I'm sure was like 'I am not LGBT but I support it' I'm so sorry imagine reading off your script and one of the prompt questions is like 'Oh you're all obsessed with x member?' and expecting typical fanserviceisms and then having to witness um. you know. I'm sure we all understand that there is a limit.
I keep thinking about how every moments vid points out how in 7dream cafe dr walk off set, then walk back in but with messier clothes and it's Sus™. and I'm like 'yeah they were just doing whatever' but then I think about how like, as the audience we're always just #Believing_the_Best in idols, and how that turned out for situations like jbj yongguk where he wasn't at a schedule because he was sick, but he was hungover. and it's like, well these idols also rely on this 'sensible' assumption to get them through everything the way fans rely on it to keep them un-delusional(?).
so theoretically, the probability that they did make out is as high as the probability that they didn't, which are both higher than the probability that this truly was the seeding for an Elaborate Company CP Conspiracy. but at that point, I seriously feel like we are giving the company + editors + idols wayyyyy too much credit because um, they literally left in chanyeol having sex in exo's reality show. like for God and everyone to just see. all of which makes me sound crazy sure, but this actually more reasonable than being like 'oh they're just friends' ... I understand that we think being gay is more rare than not. but it seems short-sighted not to give it any weight. like, everyone was like 'oh hyuna and edawn are Fucking' for all of tripleH before it came out, that Yeah, they Really Were Fucking. another recent, western example is tomdaya LOL.
but ultimately making these kind of assumptions about idols is. Rough on the idol. and even worse if it's a gay rumour so.
but also on the note of 'he's the only one that ever makes me angry' mannnnn ohhhhh myyy renhaechs... SO TRUE! other people will be like 'my favourite rh moment/top ever rh moment is [some gay shit]' but they simply don't get it. the best or most meaningful one is not of them being in Love or whatever. it's donghyuck's hot sauce ment to renjun where he signs off as 'your natural enemy'. sorry but what is more romantic and meaningful in terms of RENJUN and DONGHYUCK than acknowledging that you are on this earth to make him suffer. you literally have to think because anytime renjun makes a ment about haechan it's literally 'I love him but I hate him [which of course I don't mean 'hate-hate' I mean that he pisses me off so bad]' ... that's peaaaaak dongren romance baby!!! it's what defines their relationship I'm legit sorry u think it's about haechan being in love and cuddly it's not. that's a side effect. the driving factor is that one is the ideal victim and the other is a bully. sorry that I literally think the most romantic thing about their dynamic is <suffering><the one who caused the suffering> but I'm correct.
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man. not to be a terrible person. but like they're just so entertaining to just Witness. like just accept that it's true they're #dating and then watch them interact the Long-suffering Renjunism of RENJUN in this moment but how he keeps laughing at whatever haech says like.... umm NCT Dream The Love. Renhaech The Love. the way he is sooo clearly over it but haechan is like Please Please Please Queen Just One Chance (x100000) and then not caring at all about what renjun's response is. I LOVE. GUY WHO IS SUUUUPER PERSISTENT AND OTHER GUY WHO SECRETLY LIKES IT BUT IS ALSO DYING. out of all the most popular #toxic tropes. this is the best and most good one. like renjun is sooooooooo miserable here, he is dying, he is tired he and his soul is legit Leaving His Body and haech is still lovemelovemelovemelovemeloveme. extremely beautiful. TO ME. appreciator of miserable renjs
as well of note, the way renjun is a near-silent observer in his own, very violently public love story. aaughhhh give me a minute. I mean more than anything, renjun is quiet and deliberate about his sincerity. which isn't to say he's not open about it, just that he won't publicly broadcast it. it's the same way jaemin is seriously Unopen and Very Publicly Broadcasts it. I seriously think it's soooooo unfair to look at hello future moments and assume that either rh is one-sided, or Haechan Loves Renjun More Than Renjun Loves Haechan, or that renjun is the long-suffering one, but not acknowledge that He Likes That. sorry for trying to convey that renjun is a freak x100000 but it's TRUE. it's just the basis on you have to ask renjun to receive an answer and depending on the day he'll either be like 'I don't believe in mbti' or like 'actually [random tangent about how he thinks that explains 0.1% of his methodology' and either way renjun searches will be his stan accounts going 'renjun has such a beautiful mind [puppy eyes emoji]' ... it's like ... AAARRRGGGHHH. something about not that he minds if people see it, but the fact that it is on such a public scale coupled with the fact that haechan has so many diseases pertaining to the camera. like the amount of stuff dream film and how when promoting they are soooo frequently on camera. like yes I love content but it does freak me out :,). also renj typically being a fan of inside jokes and relishing in Secrets From The Audience [guy who loves to whisper] sorry it's just Wow. the haptics of this interaction too, having to happen On Camera is sooooo.
I mean to return to the point of 'near-silent observer' the progression of having to [very aggressively beg for haech's attention] >>> [relish in haech's attention and have it whenever he wants] to [constantly being scrutinized by haech's attention and be obsessed with To This Level] like haechan is so fucking insane. I'm sure like rather than it being a split of being exaggerated for the camera/genuinely meaning it. the methodology is more like, < through the camera is another way I can express this > which Idk some of us are like, well actually not only do I like This but I need Everyone to Know That I Like This THE MOST. the invisible competition. versus how that forces(?) renjun into a spot where he just has to be standing there accepting it. the feedback circle of like >he makes you suffer>you like that>You're Suffering. ctfuuuuu. I think I wanted to make a point about how renjun either has nothing to say about haech or has nothing to respond with or is genuinely unable to respond because haech is most definitely taking it way too far and there's no ability for renjun to damage control without making it worse. like how do u respond to the whiplash of a guy who went from mercilessly teasing u everytime he opened his mouth to mercilessly confessing his love. something something this is a learning curve and also something something renjun knows what caused the shift but can't say anything about it. and something something. haechan is just making it public for God and Everyone to see and renjun has very little say in it because this is, quite truthfully, What He Signed Up For.
hmm I feel like some of my takes don't coincide well with popular twitter renhyuchers. well you see, I'm a renhaecher. I mean none of this is to discount that renj is happy or that he enjoys the exhibitionism because both those things are true! it just strikes me as an order of events that isn't what would be his first choice. also I think the difference in hot sauce < > hello future where hot sauce was kind of still in it's plausible deniability like Yeah these two are Great Friends to hf where it's like ... wow haechan is getting to and soaring past his mark-levels of obsessed with renjun... like that's a whole thing. I remember pitching that to sora and sora was like 'yeah... it's too early to say but he's getting there.' and now it's like. Well Yeah. it's Getting There.
anyway... I guess all of this is very renj-centric, but to me he's the one that needs more explaining. versus haechan. well. at least I know what's up with him. I don't need to rationalize his homosexuality. idk.
Weekly Idol / This is about our ‘Future’ | PAST, PRESENT, HELLO FUTURE #3
not but seriously as much as it is a tenderhearted fantasy about wanting to stay close until they're old men, it is also a Haechan-esque tenderheart where Love means Annoy and Love means Letting Him Annoy. which is why renhaech are twin flames perfect for each other [we young hc voice] soulmates, etc etc etc because renjunnnnnn has so many diseases and 40% of them are about haechan and 40% of them that are not about haechan, make him perfect for haechan... I completely ignored this even though it was the main fucking part but hc going 'he likes me, that's why I'm crazy about him' it's ABOUT THE TSUNDEREISM.... though I guess I already mentioned this 8million times renjun 'secretly' likes suffering at haech's hands and haech Knows and Understands this and this was literally my ridin' pitch but to hear haechan say it in full.... also I'm legit obsessed with how both of them are past denying that they like each other or that they're being Sus and go straight to 'yeah we can talk about it' this is not how fanservice traditionally works!!!
lastly, when haech said that in weekly idol. the way it was prompted by renj picking him as member that would retire well [GUY LITERALLY SAYS JUST BEFORE RENJ PICKS HIM 'I'll probably be a bum' CRIES CRIES CRIES CRIES] renjun has diseases for real because the only reason he picked haech for that question was because haech asked him to. RENJUN YOUR INDULGING NATURE!!! I think it's sooo sickening and sooooo sweet the way renjun confirms that he's mutually as down bad because he is not as much as a public person as haechan!!! so it's just like. in stuff like youngk radio where he immediately plays along with the aggressive headpatting and how he is just so always sooooo charmed by haech no matter what [op note: this obviously discludes when haechan is confessing his love via words or action, it only applies to haechan being funny] ... this clip [renjun your face!!!] ... picking haechan because haechan asked ... gestures to most recent vlive. you knowwww... renjun pining and fondness is a very particular brand...
bonus: 210627 Hello Dream's Future Night
HC: If renjun was a girl I'd date him,
what can I say?
EDIT: there was also, from this live, like around that time stamp 'I'm not a fan of renjun, I just like him' + their album unboxing video where haech literally flips to an extremely beautiful pic of renj then goes 'my favourite picture' and then proceeds to kiss it in a clinically fangirl-esque manner (9:55). haechan this era has just been top10 million insane person things to do when you're in love with someone. I understand.
sorry if it got rambly at times LOLOL. sorry if I've mortally offended you. etc etc. ciel if you're reading this I love u. thanks to anyone else who also read.
lol for linking tiktoks rather than like tweet clips... welllllll... if it's not at the top of renjun's twitter searches I don't want to conduct further research. though I probably do know all the keywords to find the twt TLs of it.
150621 00LINE VLIVE
@ 5:08
JM: [about 3-line poems] They're easy.
HC: OK, then I'll be serious.
(...)
HC: I liked you from the start, Renjunnie.
JM: [about 3-line poems] They're easy.
HC: OK, then I'll be serious.
(...)
HC: I liked you from the start, Renjunnie.
...
thanks haechan. this one is pretty harmless if very sweet. renjun gives up as soon as he says 'lovely~ renjunnie' and so Jaemin has to prompt through future. the fucking hilarious triangulation of renjun just staring at his phone as Jaemin reacts to haech's declarations of love. the 'ohhhh Romantist!!!' delivery kills me every fucking time. this is whyyy nahaechren is the best triangle and should be company mandated. who gives a shit about tripleJ I NEED THEM.Renjun's recent tendency to just...freeze haech out whenever he starts flirting with him on-camera is so fucking funny because if haech was just insulting him, he'd be so much more reactive. when you have sick and twisted brain chemistries >>> something about how this proves that Actually, renjun yearns to be mistreated and erased. like legit in this live, he reads a fan comment that's like 'wow you guys sing so well' and he goes 'LIAR!' in a vvv cute way, but when HAECHAN does it... obviously it's because haechan lays it on way too thick, so it isn't even like when the other dreamies do it and there's obviously some sort of gag or whatever. also it's um. haechan, so he's more...preferential(?) about it. IIII.... [op is about to start saying some bullshit] I mean. unlike with other members where he's like partial to some types of treatment from them, but ultimately doesn't really mind/care.
with haechan, there's always like a specific reaction/reception renjun wants from him and there's insistence in getting that. he folds pretty easily, but the thing is renjun mostly just likes it when haechan fucks with him, so as long as that happens. hence, partially why renjun is so much more sick of haech's constant praises than we could ever be. um!!! some of us can't help but have fucked up psyches!!! some of us being [me, renjun, haechan] ... renjun does not want to be haech's little meow meow, renj wants to be haech's forever bullying target. wow when I say it like this it sounds so much more SM-like than it should. but something something haechan also enjoys being mistreated in love. I guess they'll take turns.
210701 Kiss the Radio
@ [???]
MC: I heard the members became Renjun-holic these days?
JN: Instead of everyone, someone who's really obsessed with Renjun is Haechan.
MC: So can you tell us about some of Renjun's charms?
HC: Renjunnie's the cutest when he's angry, he's the most adorable when he's being serious, and I want to hug him the most when he's being sensitive.
MC: So you must constantly want to see Renjun angry.
RJ: This member always makes me angry, and he's the only one that makes me angry.
(...)
HC: [more gay shit. I can't bring myself transcribe]
MC: I heard the members became Renjun-holic these days?
JN: Instead of everyone, someone who's really obsessed with Renjun is Haechan.
MC: So can you tell us about some of Renjun's charms?
HC: Renjunnie's the cutest when he's angry, he's the most adorable when he's being serious, and I want to hug him the most when he's being sensitive.
MC: So you must constantly want to see Renjun angry.
RJ: This member always makes me angry, and he's the only one that makes me angry.
(...)
HC: [more gay shit. I can't bring myself transcribe]
...
to me the funniest thing about this moment was that he just recited it like a ment. haech was literally practicing for when he was going to be asked why he likes renjun so much. he was waitinggg make this nightmare end. someone needs to start a [likes when girls (renjun) gets mad at him] counter for real.also the um. the fucking. renjunhaechan being to invested in each other they completely ignore youngk who I'm sure was like 'I am not LGBT but I support it' I'm so sorry imagine reading off your script and one of the prompt questions is like 'Oh you're all obsessed with x member?' and expecting typical fanserviceisms and then having to witness um. you know. I'm sure we all understand that there is a limit.
I keep thinking about how every moments vid points out how in 7dream cafe dr walk off set, then walk back in but with messier clothes and it's Sus™. and I'm like 'yeah they were just doing whatever' but then I think about how like, as the audience we're always just #Believing_the_Best in idols, and how that turned out for situations like jbj yongguk where he wasn't at a schedule because he was sick, but he was hungover. and it's like, well these idols also rely on this 'sensible' assumption to get them through everything the way fans rely on it to keep them un-delusional(?).
so theoretically, the probability that they did make out is as high as the probability that they didn't, which are both higher than the probability that this truly was the seeding for an Elaborate Company CP Conspiracy. but at that point, I seriously feel like we are giving the company + editors + idols wayyyyy too much credit because um, they literally left in chanyeol having sex in exo's reality show. like for God and everyone to just see. all of which makes me sound crazy sure, but this actually more reasonable than being like 'oh they're just friends' ... I understand that we think being gay is more rare than not. but it seems short-sighted not to give it any weight. like, everyone was like 'oh hyuna and edawn are Fucking' for all of tripleH before it came out, that Yeah, they Really Were Fucking. another recent, western example is tomdaya LOL.
but ultimately making these kind of assumptions about idols is. Rough on the idol. and even worse if it's a gay rumour so.
but also on the note of 'he's the only one that ever makes me angry' mannnnn ohhhhh myyy renhaechs... SO TRUE! other people will be like 'my favourite rh moment/top ever rh moment is [some gay shit]' but they simply don't get it. the best or most meaningful one is not of them being in Love or whatever. it's donghyuck's hot sauce ment to renjun where he signs off as 'your natural enemy'. sorry but what is more romantic and meaningful in terms of RENJUN and DONGHYUCK than acknowledging that you are on this earth to make him suffer. you literally have to think because anytime renjun makes a ment about haechan it's literally 'I love him but I hate him [which of course I don't mean 'hate-hate' I mean that he pisses me off so bad]' ... that's peaaaaak dongren romance baby!!! it's what defines their relationship I'm legit sorry u think it's about haechan being in love and cuddly it's not. that's a side effect. the driving factor is that one is the ideal victim and the other is a bully. sorry that I literally think the most romantic thing about their dynamic is <suffering><the one who caused the suffering> but I'm correct.
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@ 4:44
RJ: When we're alone, we're very different. This only happens in front of the camera.
(...)
HC: Do you know what the fact is? He likes me.
CL: That's right.
HC: That's why I'm crazy about him.
RJ: *LOL*
RJ: When we're alone, we're very different. This only happens in front of the camera.
(...)
HC: Do you know what the fact is? He likes me.
CL: That's right.
HC: That's why I'm crazy about him.
RJ: *LOL*
...
this entire thing is so fucking. painful to watch? like imagine being a dr/rdist and seeing this. um the sheer hilarity of having to take it to ON-CAMERA so they can finally draw a line. crying and sobbing WHY CAN'T IDOLS BE NORMAL *knows why* *can't stand it* *is still here* you guys are all such FREAKSman. not to be a terrible person. but like they're just so entertaining to just Witness. like just accept that it's true they're #dating and then watch them interact the Long-suffering Renjunism of RENJUN in this moment but how he keeps laughing at whatever haech says like.... umm NCT Dream The Love. Renhaech The Love. the way he is sooo clearly over it but haechan is like Please Please Please Queen Just One Chance (x100000) and then not caring at all about what renjun's response is. I LOVE. GUY WHO IS SUUUUPER PERSISTENT AND OTHER GUY WHO SECRETLY LIKES IT BUT IS ALSO DYING. out of all the most popular #toxic tropes. this is the best and most good one. like renjun is sooooooooo miserable here, he is dying, he is tired he and his soul is legit Leaving His Body and haech is still lovemelovemelovemelovemeloveme. extremely beautiful. TO ME. appreciator of miserable renjs
as well of note, the way renjun is a near-silent observer in his own, very violently public love story. aaughhhh give me a minute. I mean more than anything, renjun is quiet and deliberate about his sincerity. which isn't to say he's not open about it, just that he won't publicly broadcast it. it's the same way jaemin is seriously Unopen and Very Publicly Broadcasts it. I seriously think it's soooooo unfair to look at hello future moments and assume that either rh is one-sided, or Haechan Loves Renjun More Than Renjun Loves Haechan, or that renjun is the long-suffering one, but not acknowledge that He Likes That. sorry for trying to convey that renjun is a freak x100000 but it's TRUE. it's just the basis on you have to ask renjun to receive an answer and depending on the day he'll either be like 'I don't believe in mbti' or like 'actually [random tangent about how he thinks that explains 0.1% of his methodology' and either way renjun searches will be his stan accounts going 'renjun has such a beautiful mind [puppy eyes emoji]' ... it's like ... AAARRRGGGHHH. something about not that he minds if people see it, but the fact that it is on such a public scale coupled with the fact that haechan has so many diseases pertaining to the camera. like the amount of stuff dream film and how when promoting they are soooo frequently on camera. like yes I love content but it does freak me out :,). also renj typically being a fan of inside jokes and relishing in Secrets From The Audience [guy who loves to whisper] sorry it's just Wow. the haptics of this interaction too, having to happen On Camera is sooooo.
I mean to return to the point of 'near-silent observer' the progression of having to [very aggressively beg for haech's attention] >>> [relish in haech's attention and have it whenever he wants] to [constantly being scrutinized by haech's attention and be obsessed with To This Level] like haechan is so fucking insane. I'm sure like rather than it being a split of being exaggerated for the camera/genuinely meaning it. the methodology is more like, < through the camera is another way I can express this > which Idk some of us are like, well actually not only do I like This but I need Everyone to Know That I Like This THE MOST. the invisible competition. versus how that forces(?) renjun into a spot where he just has to be standing there accepting it. the feedback circle of like >he makes you suffer>you like that>You're Suffering. ctfuuuuu. I think I wanted to make a point about how renjun either has nothing to say about haech or has nothing to respond with or is genuinely unable to respond because haech is most definitely taking it way too far and there's no ability for renjun to damage control without making it worse. like how do u respond to the whiplash of a guy who went from mercilessly teasing u everytime he opened his mouth to mercilessly confessing his love. something something this is a learning curve and also something something renjun knows what caused the shift but can't say anything about it. and something something. haechan is just making it public for God and Everyone to see and renjun has very little say in it because this is, quite truthfully, What He Signed Up For.
hmm I feel like some of my takes don't coincide well with popular twitter renhyuchers. well you see, I'm a renhaecher. I mean none of this is to discount that renj is happy or that he enjoys the exhibitionism because both those things are true! it just strikes me as an order of events that isn't what would be his first choice. also I think the difference in hot sauce < > hello future where hot sauce was kind of still in it's plausible deniability like Yeah these two are Great Friends to hf where it's like ... wow haechan is getting to and soaring past his mark-levels of obsessed with renjun... like that's a whole thing. I remember pitching that to sora and sora was like 'yeah... it's too early to say but he's getting there.' and now it's like. Well Yeah. it's Getting There.
anyway... I guess all of this is very renj-centric, but to me he's the one that needs more explaining. versus haechan. well. at least I know what's up with him. I don't need to rationalize his homosexuality. idk.
Weekly Idol / This is about our ‘Future’ | PAST, PRESENT, HELLO FUTURE #3
@ 18:13 / @ 19:45
HC: I have a dream, the ultimate goal of my life.
HC: After becoming a singer-songwriter, my dream at the very end is to live next door to Renjunnie in my 70s... and do the ding-dong ditch.
(...)
HC: There's something I really want to do, it's something I want to do when I'm 67. My dream is to live in front of Renjun's place and ding-dong ditch him every day.
HC, with glee: That's so much fun, it's so much fun alreadyyy.
MARK, trying to refocus it into a DREAM moment: I think we'll be like this even when we become old....
HC: I have a dream, the ultimate goal of my life.
HC: After becoming a singer-songwriter, my dream at the very end is to live next door to Renjunnie in my 70s... and do the ding-dong ditch.
(...)
HC: There's something I really want to do, it's something I want to do when I'm 67. My dream is to live in front of Renjun's place and ding-dong ditch him every day.
HC, with glee: That's so much fun, it's so much fun alreadyyy.
MARK, trying to refocus it into a DREAM moment: I think we'll be like this even when we become old....
...
I was gonna write this off as a one-off but he's said it TWICE? god... haech your diseases. like it's so funny as a one-time joke, but emphasizing it.... Sure maybe not everyone is getting it, but *I* get it. You want Marriage Marriage, you're going to live together with him forever and be in love for the rest of your life and in your sick twisted version of it that means mercilessly torturing him until u both die. and you know what? I understand the Romance™ of it<3 I know most people won't but it's okay.not but seriously as much as it is a tenderhearted fantasy about wanting to stay close until they're old men, it is also a Haechan-esque tenderheart where Love means Annoy and Love means Letting Him Annoy. which is why renhaech are twin flames perfect for each other [we young hc voice] soulmates, etc etc etc because renjunnnnnn has so many diseases and 40% of them are about haechan and 40% of them that are not about haechan, make him perfect for haechan... I completely ignored this even though it was the main fucking part but hc going 'he likes me, that's why I'm crazy about him' it's ABOUT THE TSUNDEREISM.... though I guess I already mentioned this 8million times renjun 'secretly' likes suffering at haech's hands and haech Knows and Understands this and this was literally my ridin' pitch but to hear haechan say it in full.... also I'm legit obsessed with how both of them are past denying that they like each other or that they're being Sus and go straight to 'yeah we can talk about it' this is not how fanservice traditionally works!!!
lastly, when haech said that in weekly idol. the way it was prompted by renj picking him as member that would retire well [GUY LITERALLY SAYS JUST BEFORE RENJ PICKS HIM 'I'll probably be a bum' CRIES CRIES CRIES CRIES] renjun has diseases for real because the only reason he picked haech for that question was because haech asked him to. RENJUN YOUR INDULGING NATURE!!! I think it's sooo sickening and sooooo sweet the way renjun confirms that he's mutually as down bad because he is not as much as a public person as haechan!!! so it's just like. in stuff like youngk radio where he immediately plays along with the aggressive headpatting and how he is just so always sooooo charmed by haech no matter what [op note: this obviously discludes when haechan is confessing his love via words or action, it only applies to haechan being funny] ... this clip [renjun your face!!!] ... picking haechan because haechan asked ... gestures to most recent vlive. you knowwww... renjun pining and fondness is a very particular brand...
bonus: 210627 Hello Dream's Future Night
HC: If renjun was a girl I'd date him,
what can I say?
EDIT: there was also, from this live, like around that time stamp 'I'm not a fan of renjun, I just like him' + their album unboxing video where haech literally flips to an extremely beautiful pic of renj then goes 'my favourite picture' and then proceeds to kiss it in a clinically fangirl-esque manner (9:55). haechan this era has just been top10 million insane person things to do when you're in love with someone. I understand.
sorry if it got rambly at times LOLOL. sorry if I've mortally offended you. etc etc. ciel if you're reading this I love u. thanks to anyone else who also read.
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this one part you mentioned: which is such a simple way to explain most fanservice that can appear to cross the line. I think, going further, both probabilities can be true as well because we simply will never know. it's such an interesting way to view fanservice... (like, you're doing gay things even if you're straight. it's gay babey! right now, in this moment, you're gay.)
also putting all these moments in order is...#Crazy. there's so much. your renhaech(?) manifesto tackled RJ's growth so nicely. and it's so crazy looking at them in interviews now cuz...where are we?! I think I tweeted at some point, like RJ is so open to a lot of HC's mean affection, even when he tries to get out the way or bypass HC. he's not like threatening HC to stop on camera (ahem...Mark) or being super mean when he feels embarrassed and that's such a nice look on him!! (*tinhat on*) obviously HC is getting more overt with it, but even a few weeks ago, RJ was returning the attention the same way (ie. 7llin) and giving it as well (ie. 7llin). I think it'd be really nice to see RJ answer more questions about their dynamic, but I do feel that the recurring questions means that renchan has become #Canonized by SM.
I really love all your thoughts on like character archetypes and how idols fit into those. you always come back to it and it's interesting to read how you understand them through those ^^
love the new icon debut <3
Date: 2021-07-14 02:10 am (UTC)righttt Idols being trapped in the subjective truth box where does it really matter what your intent was, when you're the product and it's up to the audience to enjoy it in whatever way they will?
I think renj in general is sooo forgiving and just so open to anything which makes him perfect of world and incredible suited to being an idol... even when he isn't like super onboard, he's just firm about how he disagrees and it's never in a mean-hearted way T-T my perfecttt babyyy...7illin was so... what was wrong with him for real Though. the hachan girlfriend posing was so crazy imo...I also want renjun to get emotional and stupid about haechan and their friendship or whatever bc the only things we have to work off of are
>why is your and hc's relationship like that?
>have u ever had a best friend
https://twitter.com/softinjeolmie/status/1156999683576745984 ...I was talking abt this w another friend too and I think he's pretty reserved about when he gets emotional/meaningful/deep and usually it's about Dreamies as A Whole and there has to be a Whole Mood Set but I really hope one day they do set that mood up and renj gets to be like idk do some dotae level ment about how haechan is a meaningful [boy]friend in his life or something. it would be nice!!! (also realizing in that fanacc he can clearly pick out hc as his favourite but can't discern between the other members.... renj ur diseases for real)
but all the same I do think both renhaech are like ... the kind of people where it's easy to tell with who their affection lies thru 'shallow' gestures? I think kpopfandom tends not to use real-life friendship metrics to view kpop friendships in and that's due to Not Seeing The Full Picture or whatever... IDK sometimes people do treat their best friends like they are their best friend ... case in point LEE HAECHAN!!! renjun imo is pretty much the same since whoever he says he's close too checks out wrt to his interactions with them [aka why we must address the noren epidemic. like their friends but they have never been and will never be as close as any norenist thinks they are] ...
but yeah holy shit Icb we're at a point where markhyuck could be marketed and catered toward and the company-mandate instead is RENHYUCK. that's crazyyyy... they are creating a new market instead of catering to the old one... wow... true love can truly bypass so many things t-t
also ahhh. I feel like the character-archetypes is a little flawed as reading but I'm glad you find it interesting!!
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Date: 2021-07-20 05:02 am (UTC)OMG GUYS, NEW NIZ🐻🦊 JUST DROPPED
Date: 2021-07-17 03:01 pm (UTC)Re:3-line poem
renjun just putting on his 😐🤳 face as soon as he sees where its going kills me so bad ejhwjkehewk i too loooove the jamdongren triangulation SO MUCH we need more awkward contents of them forced to interact in trio vlives/via seating order/being in eos vicinity....RT RT RT re: the company mandation pleaseeee its literally dream fun entertainment hardcarry line minus like cl i guess And They All Had Different Ambiguously Charged R/ships w/ each other (tho in like opposite directions when its dr w/ eo vs either of them w/ jm)....nahyuck toxically encouraging eo at the end of the poem making like chad_lipbite_tiktok expressions at the camera etc was like the most positive interaction theyd had in so long lmfao....
MY BABY IS SOOOOO CUTE ADORABLE PERFECT EVER
so true. so true. so true. lately i litr cannot stop talking abt dongren in slap slap kiss toxic relationships roleplay terms.........its not their fault theyre both Like That and think being bullied/making people get angry at u Is romance!
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this one is so funny bc im so interested in like how company approved cp push happens like when theyre reviewing content filmings do they just go Huh....hc and rj are getting extremely insufferable, i guess we need to capitalize on this and start sending in prompt questions? or what ctfu....or is it like the radio doing their own Fandom Research to come up w questions.....I need to knowwww
LITERALLY i wish i had started in 2019 or whatever idr when he first made this statement
ik like....larger dr fan circles have been kind of :/ about the like idk propaganda dr pushing from helpyu based on twt stalking bnf ccs but like....personally? i enjoy it. hc may be truly sick and twisted for doing but hes never wrong........hes not wrong tho.......every time he says some shit im like UR SICK well he didn't lie tho. its really so true that rj is the cutest when angry/most adorable when serious/most huggable when being sensitive or whatever his speech was
interesting interesting......idk i dont have a lot of thoughts to offer bc i rarely seriously think about probability of #Realness bc i never actually get anywhere and just argue>counterargue etc myself forever. but the triple H comparison is genuinely hilarious to me lmaooooo god. GODDD....i havent watched the dream cafe thing so i was p sure it was nothing just bc its like...well why would they do that when theyre probably there for hours Not actively filming anyway, but ig if its like...they were filming most of the time, but then the editors have to comb the footage for fun parts to put in it makes way more sense to view it from the Probability that they were making out line cuz then they couldve just made be the grand entrance skit as customers thing. and i also feel like more than elaborate company cp conspiracy its also more probable that its just smtg most people dont even gaf to edit out/think of bc Yeah as u said...triple H were Like That and nothing even happened until they went ahead w dating announcement scandal thing and they were idol unit pretending to be romantically involved in some ambiguous way het thr(c)ouple not just some dudes....hmm this section got kind of jumbled but whatevs
SO REAL. SO TRUE. SO REAL AND TRUE. does renjun even realize the immense romantic sentiment of him choosing to respond to with HES THE /ONLY ONE/ THAT EVER MAKES YOU ANGRY???? thats basically a declaration of true love and lifelong commitment in dongren psychology. also u describing rj+hc as 'one is the ideal victim and the other is a bully' paired with Your natural enemy hc sign off is sooooo perfect lmfao....Its really like that!!!
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ME TOOOOOOOOO SO MUCH.......its real that renjun is the ideal bullying victim he was literally born with permanent beautiful resting sad bird face, his natural disposition is Hyper Reactive to anything and everything, the funnest thing in the world for him is getting insulted so he can participate in a dramatic skit of anger and tears, he is chronically incapable of not setting himself up for bullying and teasing just by being so sooo cute. so really dongren dating is the logical conclusion of both their natural traits.....like this is the Ultimate setting himself up. and loving it while suffering
lmfao this part....Yeah. im really wondering like if they did some kind of pseudo strategy for this or if it really is just some kind of inside joke among dream to not just broadcast dr but also just be like....alllll over rj this promotion cycle, bc hc is doing it SO much and there's a joke here, kind of. actually well ok i mean its like...i think its weird bc it started happening So suddenly but i wouldnt be surprised if its just smtg theyre all silently playing along w/ bc hc is laying it on so thick And mark is also just doing it separately (???) but theres a part where mark and cl in this same video are like discussing how good renjun looks in yellow (or somehting i kind of forget) like right over his head and renjun does not react at all even tho mark is like ostensibly talking to him (but only cl is responding. and also hes not even wearing yellow in this whjkehjewjhwke) ok sorry this kind of had nothing to do w what u were talking abt but renjuns whole *plays dead* no reaction defense mechanism thing response to being dreams main character for this cycle is so funny to me....hes really not him when hes not being relentlessly teased even if i personally love to see some renjun highlightization and special treatment ❤️ also the jaeemin Unopen but very Publically as inverse of renjun is so funny and such a perfect comparison thank you....Your Mind......
HES SO COMPLICATED UGHHHH which is also a girl trait btw But anyway omg pls by all means tell me more abt the last part....i feel like i always conceive of him as being SOOOO open like to the point that its almost embarrassing but i think you might actually be right cuz i think his openness is like....a) considering within IDOL scale and not compared to my own personal sense of privacy wherein i like hate telling even my mom what i did in a day or whatever so naturally you have to be a bit of a a freak emotions on main guy, and also b) a lot of his openness is kind of ummm like uncontrollable and unintentional, really its actually not his fault that hes heart on sleeve easiest person to read in the universe once u actually get him to talk abt smtg he cant help being disgustingly honest etc....
LMAOOO ok sorry for quoting ur entire post back to u BUT ANYWAY LMFAO....renjun is truly reaping his ummm be careful what you wish for rewards rn huh....it really is like if YOU want to have hc's full and undivided attention you had better be ready to deal with it at full intensity 24/77777.....and i totally agree re:methodology lmfao, i think bc hc's just like.....soooo so confident in who he is that idolsona vs real self split is so basically nonexistent....like i bet his conception of real guy vs nct haechan is just like *being dressed up and talking/doing stuff vs wearing sweats/ratty tshirts and doing fuck all* instead of like, all the deep philosophical stuff renjuns always thinking abt lolol....so for him camera interaction is basically just like challenge mode new communication method broadcast game......imo hc is really making him suffer as much as he always has he's just transitioned into a new and more effective Bullying method recently ^___^ step it up rj! at least rj being girlfriend to sloppy gamer hc means he gets his gay relaxation time or whatever while hc ignores him for hours to play w the Guys
also i literally no jack shit about markhyuck so if u have anything to say for a sense of comparison in the ummm obsession lvls id love to hear it
tbis really is the most romantic thing ever for real actually....like Gay af for your dream to be ring and running your next door neighbor renjun in 50 or so years. what do u need to live next door to him for? so you can see him and romantically play cat and mouse bully skit with him every single day for the rest of your lives?
i said this to another oomf but seriously likeeee ITS REAL that rj is perfect, basically catnip for haechans bc he contains the multitudes of Always wants to be bullied so he can Play Hating it and Getting Mad at Haechan which hc LOVES (i like it when girls (renjun) get mad at me counter #48549849), but Also so transparently wants to monopolize his attention and approval thus also feeding into hcs massive gigantic ham ego....on top of all the other stuff like perfect ultra reactive receiver for hc's entertainmentsona etc etc etc
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Date: 2021-07-17 03:02 pm (UTC)THIS PART IS SOO FUCKING FUNNYYYYYYY bc its like. ok maybe it wouldnt be That obvious he picked hc just bc he asked him to BUT THIS QUESTION IS SO SO HYPER SPECIFIC....and JAEMIN 'IM SETTING UP DEPOSITS IN THE NATIONAL PENSION FOR MY FUTURE RETIREMENT' NA IS SITTING RIGHTTTT NEXT TO HC.......likee ejhsjkgciohc89euehhsdclhuhcwdsigduh once again jamdongren funniest of all time.
my memory from watching this was so fucked up bc i was reacting to tweets live but i thought it was abt like....he said he'd marry him? and also chenle said smtg like that they had previously discussed this lmfao? but i cant be assed to find the trans tweets so oh well EDIT: nvm i immediately did that and found it https://twitter.com/myuniversemate/status/1409151346347962369
also if you've watched lisgo behind filming since this post....also a clip w soooo many diseases, hc coming over to specifically escort renjun to their meeting place further in (which rj ?looks wary about even tho its like waist deep lmfao can he really not swim...) and holding his hand out aladdin I Can Show You The World~🎶 style for renjun to take and then rj doing it in the daintiest way possible ewjhkehjwkwe discussssting.. ly cute🙂