veritable list of Red Flags
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fwcuif you're offended by any of the items on this list, good! change for the better! it's a Red Flag for a reason. note that this list does not preclude that we wouldn't get along, but that, I would have to nod politely and refrain from commenting to keep the conversation mild and lukewarm. not that we wouldn't be friends or anything, just that you have a lot going against u that I will keep an open mind towards.
warning: Amounts of Uncensored Haterism
I think lists like this come off...more offensive than my feelings actually are. I am inherently not a hateful person, if the criteria fits you, that doesn't mean I am shittalking you and every interaction we've ever had, or that I have no respect for u as a person. if all that doesn't make u feel better, I just mean. like I'm being very self-important writing this pre-note anyway, immediately assuming that my opinion will have some bearing on you. but I guess that's how things on the internet work. in any case. I can write u a personal apology.
not friend-locked because be free.
bts related
>liking bts jimin - there's this ao3 trend that I like to call 'jiminification' and that's where fans take one member and decide that they are the softbabyboy bottom cumdump cumslut communal hole clueless mistreated femininized uke of the group, and that Began my distaste of them [jimin fans], and then like, well he's aged very badly, and jiminfans insist that he hasn't, and then also insist that he has certain levels of talent that I also don't believe he has ... all in all, it's a bad look to me. in saying this, serendipity is one of my top songs ever probably. so jimin has that going for him. still doesn't excuse his fans!
>liking bts suga/yoongi - it was the jim jones sampling. I think I understand being a 'regular' fan after that, but I don't understand keeping the fawning at the same level of intensity. like how are you going to look at a picture of him and gooo awwww cutie babie... without feeling just a Little disillusioned about it. also he's like. Ancient. Decrepit. and neither he, nor his fans, act so.
it's specifically fans of these two members that are highly intolerable, and personally, like I think all their fans are Insane [derogatory].
I think every other bts member is tolerable. like jk? he's the golden maknae, he's like typical fave material and was a very solid idol. taehyung? really hot. jin? the unpopular member. also like, adiba a6 jintherapper did so much image management for All Jin Fans that makes up for any other jin stan in the universe. rm? I like him. I think he's done a lot of image management that has worked really really well. also that thing he quoted about being korean even in new york after releasing dynamite is really really funny to me. jhope is cool, isn't he.
svt related
>liking mingyu svt - fuck this guy. I hate this guy.
>liking scoups svt - he is ugly.
>liking hoshi svt - shut the fuck up
>liking minghao svt - shut the fuck up [x300]. people are so annoying when they members they like are 'artistic' or whatever.
>having mingyu svt being your token svt member that you like - I understand having token svt members. but when it's mingyu it's so disgusting like I hate people that think he's sooo hot. he's not that hot. so just die. also if you have a token seventeen member, it should be joshua.
>having wonwoo svt being your token svt member that you like - like, you're one degree away from having junhui be your token svt member. at least I can't hate on that because it's so widespread.
>liking jeongcheol - why do you hate joshua?
>0 jeonghan
>gassing up non-joshua vocals - Just Die. who cares about how the members [not joshua] within vocal unit sing? they're fucking vocal unit like they're supposed to be vocals. who cares about how the members who aren't vocal unit sing? they're not vocal unit.
I have historically been a notorious joshua akgae. combined with svt having 13 members therefore Line Distribution. then combined with most of those 13 members being ugly.
nct-related
>taeyong fans who aren't funny should die. - I say 'who aren't funny' solely because of that tyongf who qrt'd that xj acc with 'pause and it will last as long as you want'
>taeyong fans who are Like That - see bts jimin point. taeyong also gets this rep within nct ao3.
>people who like or stan johnny/taeil/jungwoo/shotaro/sungchan/y*ta/xiaojun - these members are either ugly, irrelevant, or openly misogynist.
>johnten likers - have better fucking taste for god's sake. give it up to god. like everyone knows that is the greatest disservice on earth to ten, no matter what u perceive about ten's cards in that ship.
>127zens - this is so self-explanatory. I understand that if you're a hag, it'd be pretty weird to be into a group you are a 10 years older than. however. I will turn a blind eye for dream and dream only.
somehow, ten fans don't make this list, because actual ten fans aren't red flags. though I really do dislike how people who like ten more casually talk about him just cuz, some of us aren't a fan of everything about a certain idol being related back to how he fits x stereotypical standard of gayness. like it's just annoying. I just hate that everyone thinks their token stereotypical gay from their group is Kevin from the Boyz, but your token stereotypical gay of the group is Not Kevin TBZ.
dreamie related
>markhyuckists who don't get it
>people who like mark1, and then also think mark1
>norenists - why are you shipping renjun with jeno?
>norenminists - why is jeno here?
>people who like bottom jaemin - they are the reason why fandom and fandom culture and fic and fic culture is so shit now. like it'd be one thing if it were woke. but these people don't like it in a woke way. or for a woke reason. sometimes, things shouldn't be the way your preferences dictate. you shouldn't have everything. did you ever think about that?
>renjun fans like octoberrain - why did you cancel me? for liking renjun correctly? for understanding him? for being a dedicated Renjunfan? I should've been the one who was gatekeeping him.
>people who don't ship the correct renjun ships - ...I feel like...with Renjun it's pretty obvious who is an option and who is not. and if you need to make an option out of someone who Is Not, at least do it correctly.
>people who's dreamie token pick is not renjun and they don't even mention him aside other dreamie members - Ok Die? I evidently don't excuse many things, and this is Also another line I will draw.
>baby slut jeno thinkers - So-Called Free-Thinkers. idk don't u guys get tired of being horny and relating most-everything a guy does to how it could be connoted sexually.
>I'm tempted to say something like 'people who friendzone renhyuck' but do I have to. - this isn't even like, u don't like my ship, though it is. it's also. god you really think boy x boy ship should be a certain way and don't ever question why u think that.
>tempted to say something also like 'people who think jisung is sexy' because you're clearly of a pubescent age, and if you're not of a pubescent age... - my problem with this is just because. jisung is so maknae-coded, and has been so heavily maknae-coded, and like. it's just someone who has been highlighted as young, and a child for a very long time, and is still highlighted so, and if you're not a Little weirded out by that. idk. it's just worse if you've been a fan for a long time.
>liking the boyz chanhee wrong - it is very easy to like him correctly!
>how do u like every single tbz ship that is not NyuKyu? - willful blindness on account of twink4twink somehow doesn't count! legitimately saw someone the other day who had written every single 98z pairing except for nyukyu. Oh so it's like That.
>thinking eric is somehow... like... why do you, as a person who has the ability to think, like Eric like That? - eric is appropriating gay culture. there's like Nothing Else to it. how are you going to get gotten by fucking ERIC? acknowledging eric is one thing... thinking it is...
>liking bbangyu/nyubbang, thinking other nyu ships needs bbang in them somehow.... - someone thinks boy x boy has to follow a certain blueprint or else it doesn't count.
>liking hyunjae incorrectly. thinking incorrect things about hyunjae - he is not peggable, yes he is a bottom, no he would not bottom, yes his breasts are very large. please for the love of god, stop having sexual thoughts about this chaste virgin. he is none of those things but he is all of those things. can we leave him alone!
other groups
>if u like a ship and your preference is the guy who's shorter bottoms and the guy who's taller but prettier tops. - so called 'free-thinkers' ...
>liking txt yeonjun - this explains everything about someone's tastes. really.
>liking txt taehyun - I'm sorry you're picking a bias from a group and u choose the obvious ugly duckling who's only there because he 'sings' and even then hnk sings better. have standards or something LOL.
>liking wendy/irene rv - this is just the most obvious example of me knowing I do not have similar tastes to someone else and like not even in a way where we can get along.
>if u like a popular fandom ship I don't like or just can sense the vibes are wrong - as stated, I can just sense the vibes are wrong.
>not liking sakura izone - this one is legit just unexamined misogyny LOL. like everytime someone just doesn't like a female idol that popularly disliked, do u guys just ever stop to think 'wait, why don't we like this person?'
>people who are still hyunjin fans. - I don't care if it was middle school or not, why does a guy get a pass for bullying a girl over breaking up with his friend just cuz he got a bellybutton piercing.
>skz felix - I understand that he is very nice and all. IIIIIIII....exo chanyeol thing where dude is just very very overrated and so badly so that he's the token fave of non fans. like it's just annoying LOL. svt mingyu also this.
>being an ateez fan - Everything That Is Wrong With Kpop Stan Culture
>exo sehun - ...thinking he's gay, liking him, etc. like it's so pathetic when people like men that have absolutely Nothing Going for them. please have some respect. for others who have to witness this. you're clearly lacking the self-respect to just not.
>any situation where youre ignoring a girl in favour of bullshit kpop guy. or like you're 'defending' some bullshit kpop man from a girl - just! it is so easy not to hate women! it is so easy!
genshin impact
>liking kaeya ships that are gay - oh seems homophobic. no it just seems like fandom will ship any two dudes for no reason at all, and ignore epic canonical groundwork that has been laid out for hetships. every gay kaeya ship is BAD! it's just BAD. stop shipping him with other dudes! it's just not meant to be! let's not talk about how gay ships conveniently allow the girls to be pushed to the shadows too LOL.
>liking any gay diluc ships - this could just be Liking Diluc. fuck diluc.
>people who saw gorou and started shipping him with kazuha - I wish the arguement for shipping didn't just full stop at 'I'm tired of straight ships!'
>building characters who should be on em, not on em. why is your kazuha on crit? - em is so easy and cheap and you are a sheeple.
>people who don't 1pick a girl/people who like aether - ok Misogynist.
>traveler x adult character ships - ...sorry these blonde children are not doing it for me. fuck aether. fuck Aether.
>bennyrazor fans - where is fischl?
>kaeluc fans - why do you, a 28 year old, want diluc to have a pussy? and why do you, a 28 year old, continue to characterize kaeya in a way that is Solely based on his [QUITE LIGHT!!!] skintone?
>people who characterize Kaeya Like That - no he's not written to be 'morally grey' or 'a traitor' or 'vaguely evil'. the kaeluc fan who drew the webtoon who wanted their ship to be represented in that way. if you read his story. he's reckless. he's 'shady' but he's never shady in a way that implies he's the Bad Guy. it's almost always that he's a slacker. just admit that you like these racist castings because it makes your ship sexier.
assorted
>liking mha
>just any situation where a het ship is perfectly fine and you're into the bland gay one - So Called Free Thinkers.
>being into very white shows and very white interests - usually crimes committed by intolerable white people. case in point: succession fans.
>liking jon snow - definitely a men's rightist red flag. most boring character in the whole fucking series. for what? the way his story only gets interesting when there's WOMEN involved. literally the only readable parts being with (a) Ygritte. (b) Val. (c) Melisandre. very very obvious that this guy is too repressed and needs to fuck a girl.
>liking adam trc - should've done a shot counter for the number of times I played the misogynist card. on top of being white. on top of being my fav character's flop ass endgame. on top of being boring and horrible to read.
>liking howl's moving castle - most annoying people on earth. like it'd be one thing if they realized he was a lesbian and rewrote the entire movie in their heads so that she and sophie were perfect lesbian couple who ended up with the same haircut... but no. these people like this movie unironically or like ... ugh.
>harrow/gideon fans - ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTINGGGGG. oh god I'm appalled just THINKING about it. die die die death for a thousand years! harrow is the worst character on earth and you think harrowgideon is ROMANTIC? is SHIP-WORTHY? is ENDGAME? I ignore things about my favourite characters for a reason.
>liking tezfuji/fujitez - ^^^^ die die die death for a thousand years. not only do I hate tezuka but I refuse to acknowledge his existence or importance to fuji's character. shut up about how fuji's whole character is tez. it's not. Not to me.
>liking hq - give it up to god. Please. Please.
>liking megumi jjk - everyone does it incorrectly
>liking yuuji/megumi - Do I Have To Say It
>liking geto - one time I was like 'he murdered a bunch of people' and someone was like 'I relate to his story' like I guess he had mental health, but it stopped being mental health when he murdered people.
to end on a lighter note. think of this as my version of a carrd dnf. how many did u hit!
warning: Amounts of Uncensored Haterism
warning: some of these may seem personally targeted. because it does apply to you! and your takes and tastes just confirm the inherent incompatibility I feel. it's called a Red Flag for a reason.
I think lists like this come off...more offensive than my feelings actually are. I am inherently not a hateful person, if the criteria fits you, that doesn't mean I am shittalking you and every interaction we've ever had, or that I have no respect for u as a person. if all that doesn't make u feel better, I just mean. like I'm being very self-important writing this pre-note anyway, immediately assuming that my opinion will have some bearing on you. but I guess that's how things on the internet work. in any case. I can write u a personal apology.
not friend-locked because be free.
bts related
>liking bts jimin - there's this ao3 trend that I like to call 'jiminification' and that's where fans take one member and decide that they are the softbabyboy bottom cumdump cumslut communal hole clueless mistreated femininized uke of the group, and that Began my distaste of them [jimin fans], and then like, well he's aged very badly, and jiminfans insist that he hasn't, and then also insist that he has certain levels of talent that I also don't believe he has ... all in all, it's a bad look to me. in saying this, serendipity is one of my top songs ever probably. so jimin has that going for him. still doesn't excuse his fans!>liking bts suga/yoongi - it was the jim jones sampling. I think I understand being a 'regular' fan after that, but I don't understand keeping the fawning at the same level of intensity. like how are you going to look at a picture of him and gooo awwww cutie babie... without feeling just a Little disillusioned about it. also he's like. Ancient. Decrepit. and neither he, nor his fans, act so.
it's specifically fans of these two members that are highly intolerable, and personally, like I think all their fans are Insane [derogatory].
I think every other bts member is tolerable. like jk? he's the golden maknae, he's like typical fave material and was a very solid idol. taehyung? really hot. jin? the unpopular member. also like, adiba a6 jintherapper did so much image management for All Jin Fans that makes up for any other jin stan in the universe. rm? I like him. I think he's done a lot of image management that has worked really really well. also that thing he quoted about being korean even in new york after releasing dynamite is really really funny to me. jhope is cool, isn't he.
svt related
>liking mingyu svt - fuck this guy. I hate this guy.>liking scoups svt - he is ugly.
>liking hoshi svt - shut the fuck up
>liking minghao svt - shut the fuck up [x300]. people are so annoying when they members they like are 'artistic' or whatever.
>having mingyu svt being your token svt member that you like - I understand having token svt members. but when it's mingyu it's so disgusting like I hate people that think he's sooo hot. he's not that hot. so just die. also if you have a token seventeen member, it should be joshua.
>having wonwoo svt being your token svt member that you like - like, you're one degree away from having junhui be your token svt member. at least I can't hate on that because it's so widespread.
>liking jeongcheol - why do you hate joshua?
>0 jeonghan
>gassing up non-joshua vocals - Just Die. who cares about how the members [not joshua] within vocal unit sing? they're fucking vocal unit like they're supposed to be vocals. who cares about how the members who aren't vocal unit sing? they're not vocal unit.
I have historically been a notorious joshua akgae. combined with svt having 13 members therefore Line Distribution. then combined with most of those 13 members being ugly.
nct-related
>taeyong fans who aren't funny should die. - I say 'who aren't funny' solely because of that tyongf who qrt'd that xj acc with 'pause and it will last as long as you want'>taeyong fans who are Like That - see bts jimin point. taeyong also gets this rep within nct ao3.
>people who like or stan johnny/taeil/jungwoo/shotaro/sungchan/y*ta/xiaojun - these members are either ugly, irrelevant, or openly misogynist.
>johnten likers - have better fucking taste for god's sake. give it up to god. like everyone knows that is the greatest disservice on earth to ten, no matter what u perceive about ten's cards in that ship.
>127zens - this is so self-explanatory. I understand that if you're a hag, it'd be pretty weird to be into a group you are a 10 years older than. however. I will turn a blind eye for dream and dream only.
somehow, ten fans don't make this list, because actual ten fans aren't red flags. though I really do dislike how people who like ten more casually talk about him just cuz, some of us aren't a fan of everything about a certain idol being related back to how he fits x stereotypical standard of gayness. like it's just annoying. I just hate that everyone thinks their token stereotypical gay from their group is Kevin from the Boyz, but your token stereotypical gay of the group is Not Kevin TBZ.
dreamie related
>markhyuckists who don't get it >people who like mark1, and then also think mark1
>norenists - why are you shipping renjun with jeno?
>norenminists - why is jeno here?
>people who like bottom jaemin - they are the reason why fandom and fandom culture and fic and fic culture is so shit now. like it'd be one thing if it were woke. but these people don't like it in a woke way. or for a woke reason. sometimes, things shouldn't be the way your preferences dictate. you shouldn't have everything. did you ever think about that?
>renjun fans like octoberrain - why did you cancel me? for liking renjun correctly? for understanding him? for being a dedicated Renjunfan? I should've been the one who was gatekeeping him.
>people who don't ship the correct renjun ships - ...I feel like...with Renjun it's pretty obvious who is an option and who is not. and if you need to make an option out of someone who Is Not, at least do it correctly.
>people who's dreamie token pick is not renjun and they don't even mention him aside other dreamie members - Ok Die? I evidently don't excuse many things, and this is Also another line I will draw.
>baby slut jeno thinkers - So-Called Free-Thinkers. idk don't u guys get tired of being horny and relating most-everything a guy does to how it could be connoted sexually.
>I'm tempted to say something like 'people who friendzone renhyuck' but do I have to. - this isn't even like, u don't like my ship, though it is. it's also. god you really think boy x boy ship should be a certain way and don't ever question why u think that.
>tempted to say something also like 'people who think jisung is sexy' because you're clearly of a pubescent age, and if you're not of a pubescent age... - my problem with this is just because. jisung is so maknae-coded, and has been so heavily maknae-coded, and like. it's just someone who has been highlighted as young, and a child for a very long time, and is still highlighted so, and if you're not a Little weirded out by that. idk. it's just worse if you've been a fan for a long time.
tbz
>liking the boyz chanhee wrong - it is very easy to like him correctly!
>how do u like every single tbz ship that is not NyuKyu? - willful blindness on account of twink4twink somehow doesn't count! legitimately saw someone the other day who had written every single 98z pairing except for nyukyu. Oh so it's like That.
>thinking eric is somehow... like... why do you, as a person who has the ability to think, like Eric like That? - eric is appropriating gay culture. there's like Nothing Else to it. how are you going to get gotten by fucking ERIC? acknowledging eric is one thing... thinking it is...
>liking bbangyu/nyubbang, thinking other nyu ships needs bbang in them somehow.... - someone thinks boy x boy has to follow a certain blueprint or else it doesn't count.
>liking hyunjae incorrectly. thinking incorrect things about hyunjae - he is not peggable, yes he is a bottom, no he would not bottom, yes his breasts are very large. please for the love of god, stop having sexual thoughts about this chaste virgin. he is none of those things but he is all of those things. can we leave him alone!
other groups
>if u like a ship and your preference is the guy who's shorter bottoms and the guy who's taller but prettier tops. - so called 'free-thinkers' ...>liking txt yeonjun - this explains everything about someone's tastes. really.
>liking txt taehyun - I'm sorry you're picking a bias from a group and u choose the obvious ugly duckling who's only there because he 'sings' and even then hnk sings better. have standards or something LOL.
>liking wendy/irene rv - this is just the most obvious example of me knowing I do not have similar tastes to someone else and like not even in a way where we can get along.
>if u like a popular fandom ship I don't like or just can sense the vibes are wrong - as stated, I can just sense the vibes are wrong.
>not liking sakura izone - this one is legit just unexamined misogyny LOL. like everytime someone just doesn't like a female idol that popularly disliked, do u guys just ever stop to think 'wait, why don't we like this person?'
>people who are still hyunjin fans. - I don't care if it was middle school or not, why does a guy get a pass for bullying a girl over breaking up with his friend just cuz he got a bellybutton piercing.
>skz felix - I understand that he is very nice and all. IIIIIIII....exo chanyeol thing where dude is just very very overrated and so badly so that he's the token fave of non fans. like it's just annoying LOL. svt mingyu also this.
>being an ateez fan - Everything That Is Wrong With Kpop Stan Culture
>exo sehun - ...thinking he's gay, liking him, etc. like it's so pathetic when people like men that have absolutely Nothing Going for them. please have some respect. for others who have to witness this. you're clearly lacking the self-respect to just not.
>any situation where youre ignoring a girl in favour of bullshit kpop guy. or like you're 'defending' some bullshit kpop man from a girl - just! it is so easy not to hate women! it is so easy!
genshin impact
>liking kaeya ships that are gay - oh seems homophobic. no it just seems like fandom will ship any two dudes for no reason at all, and ignore epic canonical groundwork that has been laid out for hetships. every gay kaeya ship is BAD! it's just BAD. stop shipping him with other dudes! it's just not meant to be! let's not talk about how gay ships conveniently allow the girls to be pushed to the shadows too LOL.>liking any gay diluc ships - this could just be Liking Diluc. fuck diluc.
>people who saw gorou and started shipping him with kazuha - I wish the arguement for shipping didn't just full stop at 'I'm tired of straight ships!'
>building characters who should be on em, not on em. why is your kazuha on crit? - em is so easy and cheap and you are a sheeple.
>people who don't 1pick a girl/people who like aether - ok Misogynist.
>traveler x adult character ships - ...sorry these blonde children are not doing it for me. fuck aether. fuck Aether.
>bennyrazor fans - where is fischl?
>kaeluc fans - why do you, a 28 year old, want diluc to have a pussy? and why do you, a 28 year old, continue to characterize kaeya in a way that is Solely based on his [QUITE LIGHT!!!] skintone?
>people who characterize Kaeya Like That - no he's not written to be 'morally grey' or 'a traitor' or 'vaguely evil'. the kaeluc fan who drew the webtoon who wanted their ship to be represented in that way. if you read his story. he's reckless. he's 'shady' but he's never shady in a way that implies he's the Bad Guy. it's almost always that he's a slacker. just admit that you like these racist castings because it makes your ship sexier.
assorted
>liking mha>just any situation where a het ship is perfectly fine and you're into the bland gay one - So Called Free Thinkers.
>being into very white shows and very white interests - usually crimes committed by intolerable white people. case in point: succession fans.
>liking jon snow - definitely a men's rightist red flag. most boring character in the whole fucking series. for what? the way his story only gets interesting when there's WOMEN involved. literally the only readable parts being with (a) Ygritte. (b) Val. (c) Melisandre. very very obvious that this guy is too repressed and needs to fuck a girl.
>liking adam trc - should've done a shot counter for the number of times I played the misogynist card. on top of being white. on top of being my fav character's flop ass endgame. on top of being boring and horrible to read.
>liking howl's moving castle - most annoying people on earth. like it'd be one thing if they realized he was a lesbian and rewrote the entire movie in their heads so that she and sophie were perfect lesbian couple who ended up with the same haircut... but no. these people like this movie unironically or like ... ugh.
>harrow/gideon fans - ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTINGGGGG. oh god I'm appalled just THINKING about it. die die die death for a thousand years! harrow is the worst character on earth and you think harrowgideon is ROMANTIC? is SHIP-WORTHY? is ENDGAME? I ignore things about my favourite characters for a reason.
>liking tezfuji/fujitez - ^^^^ die die die death for a thousand years. not only do I hate tezuka but I refuse to acknowledge his existence or importance to fuji's character. shut up about how fuji's whole character is tez. it's not. Not to me.
>liking hq - give it up to god. Please. Please.
>liking megumi jjk - everyone does it incorrectly
>liking yuuji/megumi - Do I Have To Say It
>liking geto - one time I was like 'he murdered a bunch of people' and someone was like 'I relate to his story' like I guess he had mental health, but it stopped being mental health when he murdered people.
to end on a lighter note. think of this as my version of a carrd dnf. how many did u hit!
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Date: 2021-08-04 03:59 pm (UTC)you are so funny and perfect
Date: 2021-08-04 06:54 am (UTC)also i have never seen anyone defend joshua like this and from exjoshua akgae to current casual joshua akgae *salutes*
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Date: 2021-08-07 11:29 pm (UTC)everything else? you're always right and have only correct opinions. i love u
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Date: 2021-08-08 12:15 am (UTC)I just think Howl should've been a girl. and if not, the popular consensus should've been that Howl IS a girl and that he and sophie are lesbians. but idk people are straight and think that the tradhet of hmc is somehow so powerful and epic -.- tell me what is moving and epic love story about an insecure girl who does housework pining after a cocky brat hero protag? at least if HOWL was A GIRL AS WELL it'd be epic since tradhet but LESBIANOS is EPIC, MOVING, DEEPLY POWERFUL, UNBEATABLE, etc etc. like at the end when they end up with the same haircut... litcherally would've been so crazy IF it was >what if we were both girls and we ended up resembling each other at the end/start of our love story< like it's crazy then bc ... girls. but just from the lens of a typical boygirl romance, this is just a fantasy romance told from the perspective from the girl -.- which would be one thing if like um, sophie's one trait wasn't that she just Really Loved Howl [though her taking care of granny was v v impactful. To Me] ... but like It Was.
idk what I find annoying about the fan perception is that they are so keen on howl being The Ideal Boy/Man when I'm pretty sure the intent was to have him be one of those genderless boys... like TO ME, it feels very obvious that the intent of howl's character design is clearly that He's Not A Boy...which is kinda like all ghibli boy designs ig, but I think it's especiallyyyy prominent in howl, with the similarities to sophie's own design... SO IF PEOPLE JUST REALIZED... THAT HOWL IS A GIRL... which then also is so epic because when u are two girls who are the same girl...which I think the movie was also trying to get at, that they were The same in the end or something...
like, I guess the counterpoint is that >well it's challenging masculinity and how boys should look!< (1)their dynamic, as boy and girl, is actually not challenged or changing the status quo of what a boy and girl relationship looks like at all, (2) why do we have to give boys a win? I think we should focus less on what needs to be challenged with boys, and instead just focus on how we can make things about GIRLS and WOMEN and how HOWL was actually the first he/him femme lesbian in popular media. like it just doesn't make sense to me. this is the perfect movie to lesbify.
hope any of this made sense and none of it was extremely offensive or deeply wrong to u. also 2 clarify, I don't hate the movie, it's a deeply moving lesbian love story. TO Me.
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Date: 2021-08-08 10:34 pm (UTC)The Ghibli Boy (in the most famous movies anyways) is always a Androgynous/A Girl and it's crazy how ppl don't see that lmao i just assume that everyone understands this but then i forget that straight people and also idiots exist.
>why do we have to give boys a win? I think we should focus less on what needs to be challenged with boys, and instead just focus on how we can make things about GIRLS and WOMEN and how HOWL was actually the first he/him femme lesbian in popular media
nothing to add really, ur just right
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Date: 2021-08-08 12:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-08-08 12:45 am (UTC)also this will sound defensive but for the sake of being clear, but this list wasn't like umm, meant to be a legitimate red flags list LOL, it was very much directed to the only the online spaces I inhabit.
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Date: 2021-08-08 10:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-08-08 03:35 am (UTC)your txt thoughts are too real i hate taehyun fans because HNK LITERALLY OUTSINGS HIM but taehyun stans act like he is theee main vocal to end all main vocals or something!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't know what 0 jeonghan means but i like jeonghan. thank you for mentioning him <3
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Date: 2022-06-16 08:28 am (UTC)