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fwcuthis is literally not even the post I wanted to make but uh. I have to. very light on analysis, mostly a reference post
other quick note, Kaeya's pretty fond of referring to people by their titles, though he'll exchange between [title][name] and [name] often enough. I think he calls Amber '[adj.] Outrider' a couple times, but that always comes off more playful than official.
other other quick note, Varka is almost always referred to only by title ['Grand Master (Varka)'], whereas with Jean, everyone tends to refer to her more as 'Master Jean' or simply Jean, or you know '[AGM] Jean'. within the knights and also People Who Know Her Personally, Kaeya does stick out so bad for solely insisting on AGM, which is whyyyy this post exists.
LAST NOTE: the only other person who is as stringent about referring to Jean as AGM is EULA. however um, she has spoken of Jean, only four times. so not a lot of evidence to work with. though in her teaser, she refers to her as 'That Gunnhildr girl'. also, Eula being the only other person to do this actually just adds to my point about Pointed Workplace Dynamics rather than detract from it.
from kaeya's voicelines:
(about Klee) Klee. Seems she has failed to elude the Acting Grand Master's investigative skills, despite the pointers I gave her... Haha, I'm kidding, no need to go reporting me or anything.
(about Noelle) I was entrusted by the Acting Grand Master to work in the background to support Noelle, but there hasn't been much for me to concern myself with — she has a good head on her shoulders. Quite the relief.
note: other characters in their (about Jean) will refer to her as AGA, but either don't do so when mentioning her offhandedly [like Kaeya], or when speaking to her. albedo, sucrose, barbara come to mind.
from quests:
(...)
Kaeya: Jean, I've brought them.
(...)
Traveller: Why is Jean the Acting Grandmaster?
Kaeya: The Grand Master is currently off leading an expedition, so the Master, Jean, has stepped in to oversee the Knights while he's gone.
Kaeya: Hence, you'll hear many refer to her as the Acting Grand Master.
Kaeya: When the Grand Master left, he took the vast majority of our knights with him, leaving the Acting Grand Master with far more responsibility and stress.
Kaeya: Come to think of it, it must have been difficult for Jean.
note: I just think this is so fucked up. also implies that kaeya refers to her as so to remind everyone of her [relatively new] position. which just points back to shadow/henchmanship disease.
(...)
Kaeya: I'm not aware of the exact details. If you're interested, you can ask the Acting Grand Master about it.
(...)
Kaeya: A dragon wreaks havoc in Mondstadt, and the Acting Grand Master leaves the city to combat the threat. Strategically, that's the perfect moment for the Abyss Order to make their move.
When The West Wind Arises
Kaeya: I have been informed about Jean falling ill. On behalf of all of Knights of Favonius, allow me to express my sincere gratitude for your assistance.
Paimon: So courteous and polite. This isn't the Kaeya Paimon knows.
Kaeya: Haha... Well, the circumstances warrant it. This is the Acting Grand Master herself we're talking about.
(...)
Kaeya: Right. Although the commissions you reported to Jean have already been handed off to someone else...
Kaeya: ...I am concerned that they will not be handled with due care without Jean's personal touch.
(...)
Kaeya: Hey! Having a good time?
Traveller: Why did you say I was the organizer?
Kaeya: The thing is, Jean knows all of us so well now...
Kaeya: When someone organizes a surprise party for you, the closer you are to them, the more bashful you tend to feel about the whole thing.
Kaeya: So instead, we just gave you all the credit. After all, you did do more than your fair share of work anyway.
Traveller: So... You gave me the credit to hide your own shyness?
Paimon: Of course! This party was clearly Kaeya's idea! Shy Kaeya? This is gold!
Kaeya: Haha... You think so?
Paimon: So you admit it!
Kaeya: Hehe... I'm only indulging you since it's such a special day today.
note: sorry I had to include this whole thing because it fucks me up so fucking bad. YOU.
Kaeya: Hahaha, you assume? The Acting Grand Master's jokes have improved as of late. Do we seem like fitting travel companions to you?
(...)
Paimon: If Paimon didn't know better, Paimon would think that Jean was Klee's mother!
Kaeya: You know, I had the exact same thought just now.
Jean: Kaeya...
Kaeya: Haha, my apologies, Acting Grand Master. Honorary Knight, let's go and take a look.
(...)
Kaeya: Generally speaking, I'm responsible for wrapping up various cases... But this particular incident is special.
Kaeya: You see, not only is the Acting Grand Master here, but the former fiery Cavalry Captain as well. Naturally, I had to see it for myself.
other
"We all know that the Acting Grand Master is a good judge of character, don't we? The Knights of Favonius are interested in a person's ability, not their family history. That's why she gives up her time to spar with the Reconnaissance Captain. In doing so, she can preserve the dignity of the Knights of Favonius while also providing a way of settling old grievances. Quite brilliant, don't you think?"
final count
AGM: 13 (-2)
Jean: 10 (-2)
Master Jean: 1
honestly, results of this are pretty inconclusive. but also, um, unlike nearly everyone else who will usually say 'AGM Jean' at least once. he has literally never done that. so there is definitely hints of ummm, separating personal name from professional title. also, when he refers to her as 'Jean' there is usually a more personal touch to it.
I would assign Kaeya as having similar diseases to Barbara, except Kaeya is way better at remembering himself than Barbara is (i.e, Barbara basically loses all pretenses after calling Jean AGA once, but Kaeya does not). kaeya and eula having similar stances on how they want to refer to jean is literally CTFUUUU but at least Eula literally has family rivalry/sworn enemyhood/etc to fall back on. WHAT'S KAEYA'S EXCUSE?
I think the most damning of the evidence compiled, is his voicelines, since they're very. They. you know how it is. but funniest has to be golden apple archipelago, like holy shit, how are you going to calling her AGM straight to her face after she first names you.
preface, disclaimers
quick note, Jean always refers to Kaeya as either 'Kaeya', or Captain Kaeya', with the latter being far more uncommon.other quick note, Kaeya's pretty fond of referring to people by their titles, though he'll exchange between [title][name] and [name] often enough. I think he calls Amber '[adj.] Outrider' a couple times, but that always comes off more playful than official.
other other quick note, Varka is almost always referred to only by title ['Grand Master (Varka)'], whereas with Jean, everyone tends to refer to her more as 'Master Jean' or simply Jean, or you know '[AGM] Jean'. within the knights and also People Who Know Her Personally, Kaeya does stick out so bad for solely insisting on AGM, which is whyyyy this post exists.
LAST NOTE: the only other person who is as stringent about referring to Jean as AGM is EULA. however um, she has spoken of Jean, only four times. so not a lot of evidence to work with. though in her teaser, she refers to her as 'That Gunnhildr girl'. also, Eula being the only other person to do this actually just adds to my point about Pointed Workplace Dynamics rather than detract from it.
from kaeya's voicelines:
(...)
(about Jean) What? The Acting Grand Master? You need to give her your full support.(about Klee) Klee. Seems she has failed to elude the Acting Grand Master's investigative skills, despite the pointers I gave her... Haha, I'm kidding, no need to go reporting me or anything.
(about Noelle) I was entrusted by the Acting Grand Master to work in the background to support Noelle, but there hasn't been much for me to concern myself with — she has a good head on her shoulders. Quite the relief.
note: other characters in their (about Jean) will refer to her as AGA, but either don't do so when mentioning her offhandedly [like Kaeya], or when speaking to her. albedo, sucrose, barbara come to mind.
from quests:
Outlander Who Caught the Wind
Kaeya: The Acting Grand Master of the Knights of Favonius is also very interested in meeting you, and formally invites you both to our headquarters.(...)
Kaeya: Jean, I've brought them.
(...)
Traveller: Why is Jean the Acting Grandmaster?
Kaeya: The Grand Master is currently off leading an expedition, so the Master, Jean, has stepped in to oversee the Knights while he's gone.
Kaeya: Hence, you'll hear many refer to her as the Acting Grand Master.
Kaeya: When the Grand Master left, he took the vast majority of our knights with him, leaving the Acting Grand Master with far more responsibility and stress.
Kaeya: Come to think of it, it must have been difficult for Jean.
note: I just think this is so fucked up. also implies that kaeya refers to her as so to remind everyone of her [relatively new] position. which just points back to shadow/henchmanship disease.
Crash Course
Kaeya: We should get Jean to give you a title and make you a knight.(...)
Kaeya: I'm not aware of the exact details. If you're interested, you can ask the Acting Grand Master about it.
(...)
Kaeya: A dragon wreaks havoc in Mondstadt, and the Acting Grand Master leaves the city to combat the threat. Strategically, that's the perfect moment for the Abyss Order to make their move.
When The West Wind Arises
Kaeya: I have been informed about Jean falling ill. On behalf of all of Knights of Favonius, allow me to express my sincere gratitude for your assistance.Paimon: So courteous and polite. This isn't the Kaeya Paimon knows.
Kaeya: Haha... Well, the circumstances warrant it. This is the Acting Grand Master herself we're talking about.
(...)
Kaeya: Right. Although the commissions you reported to Jean have already been handed off to someone else...
Kaeya: ...I am concerned that they will not be handled with due care without Jean's personal touch.
Master's Day Off
Kaeya: We thought that since you so rarely take any time off, we'd take this chance to throw you a party. Enjoy yourself, Jean.(...)
Kaeya: Hey! Having a good time?
Traveller: Why did you say I was the organizer?
Kaeya: The thing is, Jean knows all of us so well now...
Kaeya: When someone organizes a surprise party for you, the closer you are to them, the more bashful you tend to feel about the whole thing.
Kaeya: So instead, we just gave you all the credit. After all, you did do more than your fair share of work anyway.
Traveller: So... You gave me the credit to hide your own shyness?
Paimon: Of course! This party was clearly Kaeya's idea! Shy Kaeya? This is gold!
Kaeya: Haha... You think so?
Paimon: So you admit it!
Kaeya: Hehe... I'm only indulging you since it's such a special day today.
note: sorry I had to include this whole thing because it fucks me up so fucking bad. YOU.
Invitation to Windblume
Kaeya: Well, as you can see, I'm helping Master Jean take care of various matters.Golden Island Archipelago
Jean: I—I assume you two traveled here together?Kaeya: Hahaha, you assume? The Acting Grand Master's jokes have improved as of late. Do we seem like fitting travel companions to you?
(...)
Paimon: If Paimon didn't know better, Paimon would think that Jean was Klee's mother!
Kaeya: You know, I had the exact same thought just now.
Jean: Kaeya...
Kaeya: Haha, my apologies, Acting Grand Master. Honorary Knight, let's go and take a look.
(...)
Kaeya: Generally speaking, I'm responsible for wrapping up various cases... But this particular incident is special.
Kaeya: You see, not only is the Acting Grand Master here, but the former fiery Cavalry Captain as well. Naturally, I had to see it for myself.
other
Eula's Story
"The Reconnaissance Captain is back again? When you saw her, was it when she was marching towards Jean's office with her sword in hand, looking like she wanted to kill somebody?""We all know that the Acting Grand Master is a good judge of character, don't we? The Knights of Favonius are interested in a person's ability, not their family history. That's why she gives up her time to spar with the Reconnaissance Captain. In doing so, she can preserve the dignity of the Knights of Favonius while also providing a way of settling old grievances. Quite brilliant, don't you think?"
final count
AGM: 13 (-2)
Jean: 10 (-2)
Master Jean: 1
honestly, results of this are pretty inconclusive. but also, um, unlike nearly everyone else who will usually say 'AGM Jean' at least once. he has literally never done that. so there is definitely hints of ummm, separating personal name from professional title. also, when he refers to her as 'Jean' there is usually a more personal touch to it.
I would assign Kaeya as having similar diseases to Barbara, except Kaeya is way better at remembering himself than Barbara is (i.e, Barbara basically loses all pretenses after calling Jean AGA once, but Kaeya does not). kaeya and eula having similar stances on how they want to refer to jean is literally CTFUUUU but at least Eula literally has family rivalry/sworn enemyhood/etc to fall back on. WHAT'S KAEYA'S EXCUSE?
I think the most damning of the evidence compiled, is his voicelines, since they're very. They. you know how it is. but funniest has to be golden apple archipelago, like holy shit, how are you going to calling her AGM straight to her face after she first names you.
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Date: 2021-10-14 11:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-10-24 02:28 pm (UTC)there's also like 10 million things in canon where he is deeply invested in making sure the reputation of the knights [which weighs on JEAN] is always shining and clear, and any of his personal actions only reflect on himself. classic gets my hands dirty to keep your name clean isms.
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Date: 2021-10-24 10:37 pm (UTC)hi......
Date: 2021-10-16 10:40 am (UTC)Re: hi......
Date: 2021-10-24 02:21 pm (UTC)1. YEAH. imo kj sacred text is seriously master's day off... WHY IS HE LIKE THAT. WHY. it's seriously so true that kaeya is the weirdest in the world when it comes to jean...imagine being called out by PAIMON for acting OoC. TWICE.
2. good news. this actually. doubles as like. almost every mention of kj in reference to each other because. jean simply does not mention kaeya. [other than her mandated vc about him which is. like. part nth about how no one in the knights except for noelle trusts kya] and then the last mention is like noelle story where it's Oh So Jean Entrusted Noelle To Kaeya To Keep Her Safe Huh.
3. it IS seriously so sick and twisted HOW jeanluc [TOP5 WORST GENSHIN HETS] is jean's main hetship WHEN THISSSSS [KJ] IS ALL RIGHT HERE. the whole point of jeanluc is the same as kaeya/diluc where THERE IS NO LONGER A PLACE FOR DILUC. since kaeya is now JEAN'S most trusted aide and jean is now KAEYA'S no.1 priority. which again is all about the sick and twisted loyal retainer/boss COWORKERS dynamics.
uh sorry. I too am very passionate about my ship of choice. but so glad you are seeing this light<333
Re: hi......
Date: 2021-10-30 04:23 pm (UTC)1. screams at paimon calling him out like why are u not normal abt jean T__T
2. I haven't played noelle's hangout RIP I forgot the hangouts even existed at a point in time so now I have to start her hangout bc this reveal.. the idea of this has me shaking. it rly is all abt the TRUST
3. diluc is boring and not in a good way to me hence my negative knee jerk reaction to jeanluc at first, plus somewhere in my brain I do like to think abt the idea of choice in the responsibility of taking on the role, on kaeya's part. smth smth probably not having much of a choice but growing into the commitment when in terms of status, someone else should have probably been a better fit.
your opinions on your ship of choice are so right to me
Re: hi......
Date: 2021-11-06 07:02 am (UTC)2. omg it's in noelle's character stories ["It was not the first or second time that something similar had happened, and everyone was deeply worried for Noelle. In order to prevent Noelle from putting herself in harm's way again, Jean had to invent some safe jobs to keep Noelle busy. If something were to happen, then Kaeya would have to save the day."] not her hangout... tho there's a cute branch off where they ask if noelle wants to be more like jean or more like kaeya T-T the canonical parents/mentorship coding TT
3. RIGHT.. I think this is what you are trying to say but what makes kj fuck soooooo much to me is that they were both closer to diluc than each other, and it was understood that their relationships would be like jean<>diluc / diluc<>kaeya but instead everything that happened happened, and they got stuck with EACH OTHER ... which to meeee is the best way for any triangulation to end ... idkkkkk I think it helps that jean and diluc are definitely similar, but I think as far as the evidence shows, kaeya more or less, has definitively chosen to stick with the knights because of jean... OR SOMETHING.
hehe ty ty